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lorenkmiller@gmail.com
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I currently hit the regular acer xk and want a to try a bit more of a players club, the only difference I can see on the specs between the prophet tours and xk pros is 1mm difference in blade length...I'm thinking the xk pro is lower c.o.g. and higher moi??? but you know what happens when you assume. Any help on the game-improvement aspect of these two irons?
I am also intrigued by the new Ti-ceptional with identical specs to the regular xk, would this club give me more distance, faster ball speed, higher trajectory...all three!
thanks for your reply
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Jeff Summitt
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The Prophet Tour is based on the Acer XK Pro, but transformed into a blade. The Prophet Tour would have a little lower CG, but not quite as high of a MOI. The XK Ti-Ceptional is a whole other animal. It was designed to provide more ball speed and distance. As far as height, we neutralized the lower CG by strengthening the lofts.
Jeff Summitt
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willy88@metrocast.net
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Hi Jeff
Just a quick question I also was thinking about Prophet Tour.
But on a side note i went from 905 tour with Aldila NV 105 Iron - S Flex went to true temper Dynamic Gold stiff with the acer xk tour and lost about a half of culb in lenth was wondering if that could just be the combo that choosed or is it the heads and what do you think will happen with the Prophet tour heads..
what about trying dgsl with the prophet tour how do you think it compares with the nv 105 iron shaft and 905 tour?
tks chuck
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Jeff Summitt
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Chuck:
Was there a noticeable difference in ball flight? If so, the shaft could be the difference. It also could be the weight, unless you made the club any difference in length. The lighter DG SL might help if that is the case and the trajectory was the same. While the lofts are supposed to be the same, you might want to check the actual lofts on a loft/lie machine or spec gauge as there is a +/-1 degree tolerance and 2 degrees would account for the half club difference.
Jeff Summitt
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remiandkramer
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Jeff, when you say the XK Pro's have a slightly higher MOI than the Prophet Tours, does that mean to the average golfer, we wouldn't notice the difference? If that's the case, I may be inclined to purchase the Prophet Tours as opposed to the XK Pro's.
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Jeff Summitt
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The difference might be measurable on a machine, but in real life those two heads perform about the same.
Jeff Summitt
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remiandkramer
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Wow, thanks for the up-front and quick answer. Now I have some more thinking to do. Do I want a $20 per head iron (5-PW) = $120 -or- the XK Pro's at $9 per head = $54. Interesting scenario.
Ok, do you feel that the PVD finish will wear better cosmetically over time than the XK Pro's?
Is your PVD finish a coating or does it impregnate the metal and make it harder? I ask because there is a firearms coating called IONBOND that is applied PVD and it is a finish harder than hard-chrome.
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Jeff Summitt
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The materials are completely different on these two heads and another reason why the price is different. The XK Pro is 431 stainless steel, while the Prophet Tour is made from 304 stainless which is much softer. Even with the PVD coating, the Prophet is more malleable.
Jeff Summitt
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remiandkramer
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Wow, more malleable!?
I suppose that's keeping in line with forged blades being softer, even though the PT's are not forged.
So I know how my current Mizuno MP32's have worn over time (forged), will the PVD finish stay on the club with all of the dings and dents that will show up over time? If it's a PVD coating that changes the composition of the metal like DLC coatings then the color will "go-with-the-flow" of dings and dents, where a coating may just chip or flake off if the surface are changes with a ding or dent.
I know these are new, but has anyone used these yet and how do you feel about the durability of the finish?
Thanks.
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Jeff Summitt
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Like any black treated head on the market, expect that there will be wear from normal use over time. I used them for the last 2 to 3 months of my golfing season last year. They still look good, but not the pristine appearance when they were brand spankin' new. But how many clubs can you say that of?
Jeff Summitt
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remiandkramer
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You probably wouldn't have time to post some pics for us would you? 
I get what you're saying, plus if the metal were "harder" you'd be giving up feel I think. As long as they wear well as opposed to chips and cracks I wouldn't hesitate to purchase them. If they wear down to the "white-steel" from use but blends into the finished parts thats ok with me I just don't want to be staring at open chips in the finish.
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remiandkramer
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I noticed in the 2010 Catalog the Caiman driver is specified as to having a PVD Titanium-Carbon-Nitride coating. If this is the same finish on the Prophet Tour irons, then that is impressive. This coating increases the hardness of the metal, it is 0% porous thus providing terrific rust protection and it overall increases the life of the "tool" - in our case the tool is a golf club. Here is some info on PVD TiCN coating I found on the web:
TiCN (Titanium Carbo-Nitride)
Want two to three times the tool life over TiN? Check out titanium carbo-nitride. Adding carbon to a TiN film increases the hardness nearly 80 percent, resulting in this additional tool life.
TiCN is an excellent all-purpose coating, but does particularly well in punching, injection molding and cutting tool applications.
Because TiCN is easily stripped, huge savings can be obtained when expensive mold components are coated. After getting five times the tool life with the original coating, that coating can be stripped and the part recoated, resulting in five more times the tool life, on and on, and on.
Uses:
Punching, Forming
Injection Molding
Cutting Tools
Wear components
Benefits:
8 - 10x tool life in punching
2 - 7x life on cutting tools
Eliminated or Reduced galling
Higher quality parts
Properties:
Thickness: .0001" - .0002"
Hardness: 4200 - 4600 Hv
Deposition Temp. 800 - 850°F
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Jeff, I don't know if you can 'confirm or deny' that this is the coating for the Prophet Tours, but in the very least if this is the coating on the Caiman "black-metal-woods" you offer, this is very impressive. Since the metal used on the Prophet Tours are more malleable then say the XK Pro's the finish on the Prophet Tours would be more durable on the outside but retain it's soft/forged feel at impact. I think this may be a highly innovative design and finish for any club on the market. Kudo's to Hireko for thinking outside-the-box! very nice!
Thanks!
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steel_cup@hotmail.com
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Also, with the shorter hosel, is the BBGM lower than usual? I ask because I'd like to know if I can use old shafts with them.
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Jeff Summitt
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The Prophet Tour has the BBGM of many of our game improvement irons of @ 1". The Acer XK Pro has a BBGM that is 1/4" longer.
Jeff Summitt
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willy88@metrocast.net
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Jeff just wondering when you will be getting Prophet Tour 7 irons in?
chuck
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Jeff Summitt
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Chuck:
More should be here @ March 15th.
Jeff Summitt
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willy88@metrocast.net
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Just wondering when they will be in and they show not in stock...
chuck
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